Clutch carrier upgrade

[GTS 666]

It's working brilliant no problems at all.

 

[ChuenouXiao]

Were you running your car on dirt or bitumen when the clutch carrier broke.

No.... I run pavement and highspeed run... just started to have this issue. I think my spring is warping due to age which contribute to un-balance spinning inside the clutch.

 

[ChuenouXiao]

Sean from OBR said that this may possibly be the solution to my problem. Its a bit expensive but if it doesn't break no more, why not? How do I set the rpm though... I have no clue.

http://www.davesmotors.com/s.nl/c.885035/n.1/it.A/id.2423/.f

 

[ChuenouXiao]

I reckon that with excessive braking on bitumen could snap the clutch carrier as the engine is at high rpm and the clutch is still engaged but once you hit the brakes it is to much stress on the carrier. This is just a thought. I'm running a 4 shoe adjustable Elcon clutch that does away with the carrier.

Please do share your experience about the 4 shoe adjustable Elcon clutch.... go pic or site where it's sold?

 

[GTS 666]

http://www.davesmotors.com/s.nl/c.885035/n.1/it.A/id.1611/.f

This is the one Im using. Looks very similar to the one you have posted. Once installed you turn the four grub screws down on each corner to increase clutch engagement. You need to put a notch in the clutch housing or purchase the Turtle Racing one like RcDAD has. You also need to drill or dremel a hole in the clutch bell to get access to them.

I believe that it is the hard braking on the pavement(bitumen) that is smashing the clutch carrier.

 

[Guest]

Are they a PITA to set up correctly? I would assume that all four shoes need to be set as close to the same as possible.

Your theory on braking sounds accurate. I don't use the breaks much. I try to run where I have plenty of room.

 

[ChuenouXiao]

http://www.davesmotors.com/s.nl/c.885035/n.1/it.A/id.1611/.fThis is the one Im using. Looks very similar to the one you have posted. Once installed you turn the four grub screws down on each corner to increase clutch engagement. You need to put a notch in the clutch housing or purchase the Turtle Racing one like RcDAD has. You also need to drill or dremel a hole in the clutch bell to get access to them.

I believe that it is the hard braking on the pavement(bitumen) that is smashing the clutch carrier.

So you're thinking that when the clutch is still engaged, when I smash the brake at high speed, is how i crack the clutch carrier huh? Oh boy... that's seems like alot of mod.... and how do you know you set the RPM correctly? I read that they come loose every once and a while and you have to reset them to keep the same RPM?

The funny thing is, it just started to happen recently and my driving style has not change ever since I installed the 8k spring into my clutch about eleven months ago?

 

[GTS 666]

To set the springs you turn them down until they touch the brass plate you can feel when they touch. Then turn in 1 and 1/2 turns and test from there. I use blue loctite on the threads helps a lot to keep the screws backing out. You should check clutch wear every 4/5 tanks any way. To adjust the springs it would take about 2 minutes to check and or reset very quick. I simply like the way I can have the clutch engage when I want it to and it is lighter better balanced than a 2 shoe which would be a lot better for the engine seals and bearings. A 2 shoe clutch is basic instal and just run til it chews out the shoes or the spring fails which happens a lot.

 

[ChuenouXiao]

http://www.davesmotors.com/s.nl/c.885035/n.1/it.A/id.1611/.fThis is the one Im using. Looks very similar to the one you have posted. Once installed you turn the four grub screws down on each corner to increase clutch engagement. You need to put a notch in the clutch housing or purchase the Turtle Racing one like RcDAD has. You also need to drill or dremel a hole in the clutch bell to get access to them.

I believe that it is the hard braking on the pavement(bitumen) that is smashing the clutch carrier.

Do I still need put a notch in the clutch housing and clutch bell for this piece? I don't want to drill anything if I don't have to and want to minimize replacing parts due to cost.

http://www.davesmotors.com/s.nl/c.885035/n.1/it.A/id.2423/.f

What exactly do you mean drill hole in the clutch bell? Is that for easier access to the set screw? Is this only for our cats that we have to dent the clutch housing and drill holes through the clutch bell?

 

[ChuenouXiao]

To set the springs you turn them down until they touch the brass plate you can feel when they touch. Then turn in 1 and 1/2 turns and test from there. I use blue loctite on the threads helps a lot to keep the screws backing out. You should check clutch wear every 4/5 tanks any way. To adjust the springs it would take about 2 minutes to check and or reset very quick. I simply like the way I can have the clutch engage when I want it to and it is lighter better balanced than a 2 shoe which would be a lot better for the engine seals and bearings. A 2 shoe clutch is basic instal and just run til it chews out the shoes or the spring fails which happens a lot.

Base on your information, it looks promising... but worth it if I don't have to have to replace my clutch carrier due to crack. My other question is how do you replace the clutch shoe?

 

[Guest]

What exactly do you mean drill hole in the clutch bell? Is that for easier access to the set screw? Is this only for our cats that we have to dent the clutch housing and drill holes through the clutch bell?

The clutch assemble is surrounded by the clutch bell. You need a hole to be able to adjust once it is installed.

 

[ChuenouXiao]

The clutch assemble is surrounded by the clutch shoes. You need a hole to be able to adjust once it is installed.

Unless you want to uninstall and adjust the set screw and reinstall.. which is a pain in the butt? I assume you guys are talking about drilling a hole on the side of the clutch bell to access the set screw?

 

[Guest]

Yep, that's what I meant. Sorry for the typo.

 

[ChuenouXiao]

Yep, that's what I meant. Sorry for the typo.

No its me Rcdad... I'm bilingual so I'm a bit slower on the comprehension Appreciate the response!!! Have you used these before bud?

 

[Guest]

I have not. I have read that they are a pain in the a.. to get to work properly. I have always wanted to try one, but I have not had a reason to yet.

 

[ChuenouXiao]

I have not. I have read that they are a pain in the a.. to get to work properly. I have always wanted to try one, but I have not had a reason to yet.

According to Steve from Dave, the Lauterbacher is easier to work on when comparing to the Elcon. I wonder why is that? I wonder if they are basically designed the same? What is the difference? I assume the Lauterbacher has less moving parts which equals less headache... which also contribute to the cost?

 

[GTS 666]

According to Steve from Dave, the Lauterbacher is easier to work on when comparing to the Elcon. I wonder why is that? I wonder if they are basically designed the same? What is the difference? I assume the Lauterbacher has less moving parts which equals less headache... which also contribute to the cost?

I can only give I info on the Elcon as that is the one I have but from pictures they look similar in design. I don't know if one is better than the other.

 

[ChuenouXiao]

I can only give I info on the Elcon as that is the one I have but from pictures they look similar in design. I don't know if one is better than the other.

So the set screw.... can you unscrew them and take them completely out for loctite? How do you replace your pads and where do you order them?

 

[GTS 666]

Yeah you can take them out and put some loctite on the threads I use blue as you will still need to adjust them from time to time. Ddm would stock replacement pads however the clutch material used in these style clutches( Teflon ) is a lot harder wearing than a stock clutch and should last for ages.

 

[ChuenouXiao]

Bought the Lauterbacher even though its a bit more expensive. Will give it a test when I received it early next week. We'll see and I hope this fix my issue with clutch carrier cracking on me. It looks like it will One less thing to worry about. I expect these thing to last for a long time Alot of people online are saying it last them for years.... and they were giving it hell too